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		<title>By: iphonetopics.com &#187; AT&#38;T stores unofficially taking Apple iPhone pre-orders?</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-359</link>
		<author>iphonetopics.com &#187; AT&#38;T stores unofficially taking Apple iPhone pre-orders?</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 05:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-359</guid>
		<description>[...] Despite a recent pre-launch sales brief sent internally telling employees that the iPhone will be on a first come, first served basis and that no wait list of names will be taken and NO pre-selling is allowed, that’s not really case according to Channel Checkers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Despite a recent pre-launch sales brief sent internally telling employees that the iPhone will be on a first come, first served basis and that no wait list of names will be taken and NO pre-selling is allowed, that’s not really case according to Channel Checkers. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone News &#187; AT&#38;T stores unofficially taking Apple iPhone pre-orders?</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-357</link>
		<author>iPhone News &#187; AT&#38;T stores unofficially taking Apple iPhone pre-orders?</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-357</guid>
		<description>[...] AT&#38;T stores unofficially taking Apple iPhone pre-orders?    May 24th, 2007 &#124; Category: iPhone News   Despite a recent pre-launch sales brief sent internally telling employees that the iPhone will be on a first come, first served basis and that no wait list of names will be taken and NO pre-selling is allowed, that’s not really case according to Channel Checkers. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] AT&amp;T stores unofficially taking Apple iPhone pre-orders?    May 24th, 2007 | Category: iPhone News   Despite a recent pre-launch sales brief sent internally telling employees that the iPhone will be on a first come, first served basis and that no wait list of names will be taken and NO pre-selling is allowed, that’s not really case according to Channel Checkers. [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: No Apple iPhone Pre-Orders? Not if you goto an AT&#38;T store! - Into iPhone</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-356</link>
		<author>No Apple iPhone Pre-Orders? Not if you goto an AT&#38;T store! - Into iPhone</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jun 2007 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-356</guid>
		<description>[...] by Will on Sunday, May 27th, 2007 at 1:32 pm under News, iPhone No Tags          Into iPhoneA Channel Checkers survey reveals that the official AT&#38;T policy on prohibiting Apple iPhone pre-orders is not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] by Will on Sunday, May 27th, 2007 at 1:32 pm under News, iPhone No Tags          Into iPhoneA Channel Checkers survey reveals that the official AT&amp;T policy on prohibiting Apple iPhone pre-orders is not [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone queues heading around the block at Pocket Picks</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-35</link>
		<author>iPhone queues heading around the block at Pocket Picks</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 06:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-35</guid>
		<description>[...] to a small survey sample by Channel Checkers (which specialises in checking how long certain products take to order), [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] to a small survey sample by Channel Checkers (which specialises in checking how long certain products take to order), [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone Waiting Lists Grow; Manufacturing Glitch Slows iPhone Production. - Everything iPhone</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-27</link>
		<author>iPhone Waiting Lists Grow; Manufacturing Glitch Slows iPhone Production. - Everything iPhone</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-27</guid>
		<description>[...] iPhone Production.     What the HELL! I thought there wasn't a waiting list?!?!?! According to this site there is one? Can this be BS? I just called a Cingular store and the girl said that they do [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] iPhone Production.     What the HELL! I thought there wasn&#8217;t a waiting list?!?!?! According to this site there is one? Can this be BS? I just called a Cingular store and the girl said that they do [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: iPhone Waiting Lists Grow; Manufacturing Glitch Slows iPhone Production. - Everything iPhone</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-26</link>
		<author>iPhone Waiting Lists Grow; Manufacturing Glitch Slows iPhone Production. - Everything iPhone</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 19:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-26</guid>
		<description>[...] iPhone Production.     What the HELL! I thought there wasn't a waiting list?!?!?! According to this site there is one? Can this be [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] iPhone Production.     What the HELL! I thought there wasn&#8217;t a waiting list?!?!?! According to this site there is one? Can this be [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Casey Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-23</link>
		<author>Casey Ryan</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 14:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-23</guid>
		<description>REPLY TO GREGG THURMAN

Plenty of people are aware of what production targets for the iPhone are.  Our sources work in the logistics chain for Apple.  As noted by David Dennis in this section it is not a suprise nor really a criticism of Apple if production runs a little behind schedule.

I think our point in the article is that even without any lags in production we would surmise from the apparently controversial waiting lists that demand appears to be extremely strong for the iPhone.  So any production snags no matter how small will serve to limit supply to an extent and increase the imbalance between demand (strong) and supply (limited initially).
You make a good point about our disparaing remarks hurting the credibility of the story and I believe on multiple posts we have said we would work to keep those types of comments out of future posts.

We appreciate your comments and hope you'll give our surveys an opportunity to inform you.  I beleive you'll be surprised by the depth range and accuracy of them over time.

-Casey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REPLY TO GREGG THURMAN</p>
<p>Plenty of people are aware of what production targets for the iPhone are.  Our sources work in the logistics chain for Apple.  As noted by David Dennis in this section it is not a suprise nor really a criticism of Apple if production runs a little behind schedule.</p>
<p>I think our point in the article is that even without any lags in production we would surmise from the apparently controversial waiting lists that demand appears to be extremely strong for the iPhone.  So any production snags no matter how small will serve to limit supply to an extent and increase the imbalance between demand (strong) and supply (limited initially).<br />
You make a good point about our disparaing remarks hurting the credibility of the story and I believe on multiple posts we have said we would work to keep those types of comments out of future posts.</p>
<p>We appreciate your comments and hope you&#8217;ll give our surveys an opportunity to inform you.  I beleive you&#8217;ll be surprised by the depth range and accuracy of them over time.</p>
<p>-Casey</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg Thurman</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-22</link>
		<author>Gregg Thurman</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-22</guid>
		<description>I wish online journalists would learn the difference between 'demand greater than supply' and 'production problems'. None of you know how many units are actually being produced at any given time.

To make the statement that "HonHai is having trouble manufacturing to schedule and is running behind" implies that you, and/or your staff, have knowledge what Honhai's schedule is.  You don't.

Without actual knowledge of what proeduction numbers are, or the schedule Honhai is supposed to be producing to, any statement regarding production is nothing more than conjecture based on incomplete facts.

Your willingness to make such conjecture, as you did regarding the intelligence of those that followed Company policy, doesn't generate any trust (on my part) in your 'surveys'.

Over a period of three years I have developed my own sources for channel information, and I can unequivocably state than no one outside of Apple's inner circle has the information needed to make 'production problem' statements, and they never talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish online journalists would learn the difference between &#8216;demand greater than supply&#8217; and &#8216;production problems&#8217;. None of you know how many units are actually being produced at any given time.</p>
<p>To make the statement that &#8220;HonHai is having trouble manufacturing to schedule and is running behind&#8221; implies that you, and/or your staff, have knowledge what Honhai&#8217;s schedule is.  You don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Without actual knowledge of what proeduction numbers are, or the schedule Honhai is supposed to be producing to, any statement regarding production is nothing more than conjecture based on incomplete facts.</p>
<p>Your willingness to make such conjecture, as you did regarding the intelligence of those that followed Company policy, doesn&#8217;t generate any trust (on my part) in your &#8217;surveys&#8217;.</p>
<p>Over a period of three years I have developed my own sources for channel information, and I can unequivocably state than no one outside of Apple&#8217;s inner circle has the information needed to make &#8216;production problem&#8217; statements, and they never talk.</p>
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		<title>By: David H Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-18</link>
		<author>David H Dennis</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 02:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-18</guid>
		<description>We know that it is indeed not AT&#38;T company policy to allow waiting lists.  However, this memo also implies something interesting: That waiting lists have been established.  Nobody is going to take the time to send a memo saying waiting lists are not allowed if there is not interest from the public in being put on such a list.  The memo implies that waiting lists already exist and that AT&#38;T wants to stop them.

Unfortunately, from the point of view of the retailer, there is no way in the world they can call back all these nice customers, some of who may have even put down deposits, and tell them the waiting list is not valid.  So now that there is a waiting list, there's no way to put the cat back into the bag.

So I have no qualms about accepting the validity of the Channel Checkers' research.  The AT&#38;T memo is evidence that there are waiting lists, and so calling around and asking about lists is a valid research tactic, and good, original reporting.

I'm posting this, in fact, mainly to confirm that I think we should appreciate people, even unknown ones, who look at something, figure out what it really means, and decide to do some original research.  Isn't the complaint the MSM has about blogs that they don't do original research?  Well, here we are, people who have, and we insult them instead of appreciating the work that went into this.

There was in fact an AT&#38;T memo that implied that June 15th was a likely release date.  However, this was not a promise from Apple and should not be interpreted as such.  It seems fair to me that much work is still being done on the software and it would surely not be impossible for manufacturing problems to arise.  I remember many new Apple products, such as the  G5, that were promised around such and such a date, but actually appeared 2-4 weeks later.  

I have no way of determining the channel checkers' credentials or connections with suppliers, and it's even possible that they have genuine connections but the contact doesn't really know what he's talking about in this instance.  

In the end, the iPhone is not going to be judged on its release date, however exciting that may be right now.  It will be judged on how much we, its customers, enjoy using it.  I support a delay in its production if that will make it a better product in the end.

D

PS Any rumors on whether it will have a SSH client available, either natively or third party?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know that it is indeed not AT&amp;T company policy to allow waiting lists.  However, this memo also implies something interesting: That waiting lists have been established.  Nobody is going to take the time to send a memo saying waiting lists are not allowed if there is not interest from the public in being put on such a list.  The memo implies that waiting lists already exist and that AT&amp;T wants to stop them.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, from the point of view of the retailer, there is no way in the world they can call back all these nice customers, some of who may have even put down deposits, and tell them the waiting list is not valid.  So now that there is a waiting list, there&#8217;s no way to put the cat back into the bag.</p>
<p>So I have no qualms about accepting the validity of the Channel Checkers&#8217; research.  The AT&amp;T memo is evidence that there are waiting lists, and so calling around and asking about lists is a valid research tactic, and good, original reporting.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m posting this, in fact, mainly to confirm that I think we should appreciate people, even unknown ones, who look at something, figure out what it really means, and decide to do some original research.  Isn&#8217;t the complaint the MSM has about blogs that they don&#8217;t do original research?  Well, here we are, people who have, and we insult them instead of appreciating the work that went into this.</p>
<p>There was in fact an AT&amp;T memo that implied that June 15th was a likely release date.  However, this was not a promise from Apple and should not be interpreted as such.  It seems fair to me that much work is still being done on the software and it would surely not be impossible for manufacturing problems to arise.  I remember many new Apple products, such as the  G5, that were promised around such and such a date, but actually appeared 2-4 weeks later.  </p>
<p>I have no way of determining the channel checkers&#8217; credentials or connections with suppliers, and it&#8217;s even possible that they have genuine connections but the contact doesn&#8217;t really know what he&#8217;s talking about in this instance.  </p>
<p>In the end, the iPhone is not going to be judged on its release date, however exciting that may be right now.  It will be judged on how much we, its customers, enjoy using it.  I support a delay in its production if that will make it a better product in the end.</p>
<p>D</p>
<p>PS Any rumors on whether it will have a SSH client available, either natively or third party?</p>
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		<title>By: Casey</title>
		<link>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-14</link>
		<author>Casey</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thechannelcheckers.com/2007/05/iphone-waiting-lists-grow-manufacturing-glitch-slows-iphone-production/#comment-14</guid>
		<description>REPLY TO CLUE-BY-FOUR,
Thanks for the input.  I don't think our article implies there will be a problem with shipment volumes for the iPhone. In fact I would suggest that demand looks beyond robust as evidenced by our finding that many stores are keeping long waiting lists for the device (apparently against company edicts as I have been informed of repeatedly by eager posters).

As for our source on the waiting lists we are 100% confident in those data points. As to the manufacturing delay, our only point was to highlight that only 10M devices might be available early on to meet the heavy demand as opposed to the 12M that some news sites have reported Apple is actually producing. 
That said we appreciate the wordly advice. Since our data is predominatly field data that we gather we generally are unconcerned with corporate positions on information.  Our data is verifiable and we track it.  I would suggest that corporations will find our site informative about their own operations over time since we will undoubtedly be polling many of their line employees about basic things like "do you have a waiting list for the iphone?".

We appreciate the information and the feedback and will take your advice to heart. Please comment more on coming stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>REPLY TO CLUE-BY-FOUR,<br />
Thanks for the input.  I don&#8217;t think our article implies there will be a problem with shipment volumes for the iPhone. In fact I would suggest that demand looks beyond robust as evidenced by our finding that many stores are keeping long waiting lists for the device (apparently against company edicts as I have been informed of repeatedly by eager posters).</p>
<p>As for our source on the waiting lists we are 100% confident in those data points. As to the manufacturing delay, our only point was to highlight that only 10M devices might be available early on to meet the heavy demand as opposed to the 12M that some news sites have reported Apple is actually producing.<br />
That said we appreciate the wordly advice. Since our data is predominatly field data that we gather we generally are unconcerned with corporate positions on information.  Our data is verifiable and we track it.  I would suggest that corporations will find our site informative about their own operations over time since we will undoubtedly be polling many of their line employees about basic things like &#8220;do you have a waiting list for the iphone?&#8221;.</p>
<p>We appreciate the information and the feedback and will take your advice to heart. Please comment more on coming stories.</p>
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